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How do I know if I've been baptized by fire?

posted Mar 01, 2017 03:04:53 by David.Clark
I'm wondering if many of us have started to look beyond the mark on what it means to be baptized by fire and the Holy Ghost. I found an Ensign article by Elder Loren C. Dunn who discusses in great detail the baptism by fire, shares multiple experiences people have had with being baptized by fire, and how a person can know if he's been baptized by fire and the Holy Ghost. I think that we have begun to look for something beyond what the Lord has taught us that it is. Looking beyond the mark leaves room for deception.

(**edit: In hindsight, after reading Lory's response below, I did not take the right approach with this thread. I presented it in a confrontational manner. I still need to get the adversarial legal mindset I've lived with for 17 years as a lawyer rooted out. 😔 Read Lory's post below (should be the second post) and pretend like that is inserted herein above).)
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CindyLigouri said Mar 01, 2017 03:29:43
I don't think we can dismiss the Mysteries, which are taught by the Holy Ghost. I've had an interesting experience this week in the form of a Priesthood Blessing given by one of the missionaries in our ward who has no clue about my studies here. I was blessed to seek after the learning of God and that "I would know the mysteries of God". This is the 2nd time I've been told that. For me, seeking after the 2nd comforter and having our Calling and Election made sure are part of those mysteries. It's most definitely not shooting beyond the mark. I think it's what Heavenly Father would have us do.
LoryVanValkenbur said Mar 01, 2017 04:11:50
David, I believe I know what you are trying to have us consider, and I agree, if I am correct in your thinking.

I believe too many think that they must have some glorious manifestation or experience what very few appear to have to be "baptised with fire", and receive the Holy Ghost.

As I read the article you posted I was filled with joy and assurance. I have no doubt that I have been blessed with such a gift; conversion, baptism of fire, a change of heart, born again, whatever you want to call it. It burns within me, daily. When I wake in the morning it rests upon me. For several minutes I lay in bed overwhelmed with gratitude for such love pouring over me. If people wait for some out of this world manifestation or experience I fear that they will be disappointed. The gospel is one of faith. Every moment I feel the Spirit burn within me my faith grows, and isn't that really the great gift? Because of this gift I have gained knowledge in some respects, and added faith in other principles.

I can honestly share that I worked very hard to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and baptism of fire. When I made up my mind to be "all in", I left Babylon, especially in my heart. It took many months of determined work and guidance from the Spirit to be so blessed. It was during this time when I was taught about the 12 Principles of Promise. They are the road map to conversion and true discipleship. The baptism of fire. The Lord taught me that. I was well established on the path, but my efforts and desired focus needed tweaking. Once the Lord knew that I was willing and prepared to do whatever was asked of me the flood gates of revelation opened, never to be closed, as long as I remain faithful.

I testify that the baptism of fire is reachable to all of us, all of God's sons and daughters. The experiences getting there may not be the same, or even similar, but I know the pathway is. If I could only get people to fully understand and embrace the principles the Lord taught me, they would be blessed with the same promises I have received. I bear witness of these 12 Principles and their unfailing power to bless us. I know that everyone on this site is on this path. Maybe, like me, you just need to do some faithful tweaking. I know that God lives. His Son is our Savior, who also lives. I KNOW that the Holy Ghost is a God who loves us and He is eager and anxious to guide, direct, wsrn, uplift, testify, encourage, and protect us. The Godhead is real, and powerful. I testify that Joseph Smith is the prophet of the restoration. He did indeed translate the Book of Mormon. Thomas S Monson is our Prophet on the earth now, working under the tutelage of the Christ. I testify that the Lord is on the earth now. He is leading and directing the affairs of His church. I bear witness of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. It's a book of miracles, of truth, of God's word, His plan. It contains the pleading and hope of past prophets that continue to pray for us. In the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
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David.Clark said Mar 01, 2017 04:12:35
Cindy, I absolutely agree!! I did not say not to seek calling & election and the second comforter. The prophets and apostles from Joseph Smith to Elder McConkie and many others have taught the importance of seeking these essential matters/experience. I'm seeking the same 🙂.

My only point is that the criteria for what constitutes baptism by fire are a little different than what we have discussed in this forum according to Elder Dunn and what other brethren quoted in his article said. According to what elder Dunn describes, I imagine most of us have been baptized by fire yet some continue to seek something that they've already received. That's where Satan can come in and deceive. 😔

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David.Clark said Mar 01, 2017 04:21:31
Thank you, Lory, for your post! I have taken the wrong approach in the tone in which I presented this matter. Should have approached it as a matter for hope and joy. That's the true message for this thread. Lory, you have focused this thread where it should be ... thank you! 👏👏👏
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LoryVanValkenbur said Mar 01, 2017 04:30:26
You're awesome David! 💖
JanacyHorsley said Mar 01, 2017 04:47:08
I needed to read this. I'll admit that it is hard to not compare myself to others on this forum. I want what they have and for the last year have been slowly moving towards this goal... but that doesn't mean that my experience won't be completely different than others. I feel that I have been reborn and have a fire lit in my heart to strive to be better and learn more and more with each day. I am far from perfect but I know that using the atonement in my life and allowing my weaknesses to grow into strengths is what will change me.

I believe that more of us, than we think, like Lory said, have had an experience that is just as special than a grand experience because it has changed our directions and desires :)

Thanks again!
Faith in God includes Faith in His timing ~ Neal A Maxwell
LoryVanValkenbur said Mar 01, 2017 05:22:20
Janacy, I agree. I think we are underestimating our own experiences and not recognizing where we are spiritually.
RandyPons said Mar 01, 2017 05:34:45
My wife and I were reading this on Sunday night. It sounds like a beautiful experience. I want this! I want everything in this chapter :)

3 Nephi 19:13-14
13 And it came to pass when they were all baptized and had come up out of the water, the Holy Ghost did fall upon them, and they were filled with the Holy Ghost and with fire.

14 And behold, they were encircled about as if it were by fire; and it came down from heaven, and the multitude did witness it, and did bear record; and angels did come down out of heaven and did minister unto them.
1 Nephi 2:15 And my father dwelt in a tent.
...At least that's what my kids are going to say :)

~Randy "The Freedom Prepper"
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JulieK said Mar 01, 2017 06:15:23
Lory, thanks so much for your testimony and thoughts about this. I've felt so much of the same and your words brought an added measure of confirmation. 💖😊
Rebecca-SeanZaugg said Mar 01, 2017 06:42:03
Thanks for posting David! And for the other comments! They are helpful as I study about the baptism of fire.
LoryVanValkenbur said Mar 01, 2017 06:55:46
Something I have learned in my study of Isaiah is thst the very same "fire" thst cleanses, sanctifies, and purifies, and even protects us is the same "fire" that destroys the wicked. The "dross" is burned from us, and burns those wicked around us, depending on our use of agency. What sanctifies and protects one, destroys the other. That understanding has helped me recognize the power of God, and my connection to thst power. The Priesthood truly is amazing, and is consistent by the laws of God.
David.Clark said Mar 01, 2017 07:00:02
Lory, that has been my understanding as well. Well said!
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BrendaStephenson said Mar 01, 2017 14:44:32
David, thank you for opening this thread. I look forward to reading the article. I have also enjoyed reading all the comments and testimonies. They have strengthened me.
BrendaStephenson said Mar 01, 2017 15:17:23
The article you attached was wonderful. Thank you for making us aware of it.
HelenPirtle said Mar 01, 2017 16:21:45
I agree with what has already been taught concerning the baptism by fire. I think for most of us we fit what is described in 3 Nephi 9:20. Yes, we seek something greater but maybe what will be our experience is not what a few others have described. Here is the scripture.

20 - "And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and THEY KNEW IT NOT." (my emphasis added)

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