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Conditions During the Millennium

posted Mar 14, 2017 19:27:10 by RyanAllen
A question was brought up in another thread and was off-topic so I thought I would start a new thread.

Revelation 21:1
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

This scripture reminded me of something Brother Stroud taught on the Evening With Friends podcast. As I understood it, he said that the earth would transition from a water-based telestial world to a fire-based terrestrial world. There would still be beautiful scenery and water, but it would be different. There would be a spiritual component to it. I thought of how Spencer described water in the spirit world. It didn't leave you wet, etc. Perhaps that is what water will be like in a terrestrial world. I'd love any insights or corrections. Maybe Brother Stroud wants to weigh in???
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Kathryn Blose said Mar 14, 2017 20:01:12 This is an interesting discussion about the river coming up out of the temple during the Millennium.
David.Clark said Mar 15, 2017 04:52:26
Ryan, I've been looking. Some seem to believe that Revelation 21:1 applies to after the millennium when the earth becomes celestial. McConkie doesn't seem to concur as he talks about the new Heaven and new earth occurring as part of the Lord's Second Coming. One author seemed to believe that the idea that there were no more seas was a metaphor for there being no more wickedness on the earth (the waters representative of wicked people as is sometimes the case in other scripture verses).

Scripture is definitely clear that the wicked will be swept from the earth by fire at the Second Coming (does that fire continue on throughout the millennium?). Then, there are a number of scriptures that point to the oceans being gathered together and the land being gathered in one mass as it was before. There's reference to streams as well. Is the water H2O, or made of something more pure?

So, I believe that it's clear that the millennial earth will have water of some nature. I also believe that the earth will be far more glorious than it is now. In my speculative opinion, I assume that the world will have to have significant change in order to abide the Lord's glory. Is there some middle ground between water-based telestial glory and the complete fire-based condition of the celestial glory? There has to be. Whatever form that takes, I pray that I am able to repent and be found in holy places that I might abide the day.

I've probably taken this discussion far beyond what is necessary and productive at this point.
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NormJohnson said Mar 15, 2017 05:48:39
Spencer related the living water of the New Jerusalem. Also that is the healing water that heal the Dead Sea. Those are millennial times.
MelClaridge said Mar 15, 2017 17:05:10
David, what about this thought - could the terrestrial world be a "fire" based world along the lines of baptism of "fire?" The spiritual fire rather than literal hot flames? Just thinking out loud....
RyanAllen said Mar 15, 2017 19:13:34
I think it is well established that the earth will be burned/cleansed, renewed, and reborn at Christ's coming. It will be a new heaven and a new earth for the millennium. I believe that the transition from telestial to terrestrial is substantial. It is also well established that a celestial world is a fire-based one and that the Father and Son dwell in "eternal fire" or "everlasting burnings". A terrestrial world must be somewhere in between. If H2O is a characteristic of a telestial world, it seems that a terrestrial world can be fire-based, meaning more pure, godly, and spiritual, without achieving a celestial level. If the water in a terrestrial world is "living water", it is definitely different than H2O. We know that the celestialized earth will be as smooth as glass and is basically a giant urim and thummim, so it likely has no water of any kind. Joseph Smith also taught that resurrected beings dwell in everlasting burnings. We can think of the earth in the same progression as us: spirit, mortal, translated, resurrected.
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