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Faith of the brother of Jared

posted Mar 14, 2017 09:29:20 by David.Clark
I've been studying Ether chapter 3 for the last week or so. In verse 9, Christ tells him that no one before him has had such exceedingly great faith. I can understand the difference between someone who has faith and someone who has little to no faith. The one with faith believes Christ although he has never seen Him. The person who has little to no faith either has tons of doubt or completely doubts.

But, if you're comparing Noah, for example, to the brother of Jared, what might be the difference? Obviously, Noah demonstrated great faith. What was it about the brother of Jared that set him apart from the previous Prophets? And, more importantly, what does such exceeding great faith look like today such that we can gain such faith??? Any thoughts?
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Spring Thibaudeau said Mar 14, 2017 13:55:38
Elder Christiffel Golden presided over our stake conference last year and he said, "Faith is nothing more or less than personal righteousness."
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JulieK said Mar 14, 2017 14:32:05
“Faith is a gift of God bestowed as a reward for personal righteousness. It is always given when righteousness is present, and the greater the measure of obedience to God’s laws, the greater will be the endowment of faith.” Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed., pg. 264
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Chad_Brinkerhoff said Mar 14, 2017 15:02:08
I love these comments! As with all gifts of the spirit, it does require us to first act in obedience to his commandments and then as we do this consistently asking in faith and believing in him, then our faith grows and our minds are enlightened. Just as spoken in Alma and his comparison with the seed. It requires consistent things in order to swell and grow. The more obedient and knowledgeable in our faith and understanding, the more light we are given. It's all line upon line. We cannot gain greater understanding of eternal truths until we are ready for them. This will be how it is throughout eternity, constantly learning and becoming more spiritual and receiving more light.
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Isaiah said Mar 14, 2017 16:30:15
"Childlike faith, along with childlike love, are an open road to God’s heart."

Matthew 18
1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

Mosiah 3:19
19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
also
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2006/04/as-a-child?lang=eng
As a Child
Henry B. Eyring

https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/james-m-paramore_become-little-child/
“Become as a Little Child”
James M. Paramore
The Power of Implicit Faith
"Another thing I learned from children is that they have implicit faith—in the principles of the gospel, in parents, leaders, people in general."
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The Lord has told us that for us to receive
"the greater things" - this is the "sealed portion". Ether 4
we all need to have this same faith as the brother of Jared.
This is talking about the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon.
"show unto you the greater things". It is what the brother of Jared saw, because of his faith the Lord showed him John's Revelations - Ether 4:16 from the beginning of the world to the end. This is the SEALED portion of the Book of Mormon that we will receive when we " Ether 4:7 and Ether 4:15
Ether 4
7 "And in that day that they shall exercise faith in me, saith the Lord, even as the brother of Jared did, that they may become sanctified in me, then will I manifest unto them the things which the brother of Jared saw, even to the unfolding unto them all my revelations, saith Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of the heavens and of the earth,
and all things that in them are."

15 Behold, when ye shall rend that veil of unbelief which doth cause you to remain in your awful state of wickedness, and hardness of heart, and blindness of mind, then shall the great and marvelous things which have been hid up from the foundation of the world from you —yea, when ye shall call upon the Father in my name,
with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, then shall ye know that the Father hath remembered the covenant which he made unto your fathers, O house of Israel.

This is talking about the SEALED portion of the Book of Mormon that we have not been worthy enough to receive yet.

Ether 4
4 Behold, I have written upon these plates the very things which the brother of Jared saw; and there never were greater things made manifest than those which were made manifest unto the brother of Jared.

5 Wherefore the Lord hath commanded me to write them; and I have written them. And he commanded me that I should seal them up; and he also hath commanded that I should seal up the interpretation thereof; wherefore I have sealed up the interpreters, according to the commandment of the Lord.

6 For the Lord said unto me: They shall not go forth unto the Gentiles until the day that they shall repent of their iniquity, and become clean before the Lord.

7 And in that day that they shall exercise faith in me, saith the Lord, even as the brother of Jared did, that they may become sanctified in me, then will I manifest unto them the things which the brother of Jared saw, even to the unfolding unto them all my revelations, saith Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of the heavens and of the earth, and all things that in them are.
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13 Come unto me, O ye Gentiles, and I will show unto you the
greater things, the knowledge which is hid up because of unbelief.

14 Come unto me, O ye house of Israel, and it shall be made manifest unto you how great things the Father hath laid up for you, from the foundation of the world; and it hath not come unto you, because of unbelief.

15 Behold, when ye shall rend that veil of unbelief which doth cause you to remain in your awful state of wickedness, and hardness of heart, and blindness of mind, then shall the great and marvelous things which have been hid up from the foundation of the world from you—yea, when ye shall call upon the Father in my name,
with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, then shall ye know that the Father hath remembered the covenant which he made unto your fathers, O house of Israel.

16 And then shall my revelations which I have caused to be written by my servant John be unfolded in the eyes of all the people. Remember, when ye see these things, ye shall know that the time is at hand that they shall be made manifest in very deed.

17 Therefore, when ye shall receive this record ye may know that the work of the Father has commenced upon all the face of the land.
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Philippians 4:13
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AliciaBlickfeldt said Mar 14, 2017 21:17:24
My simplified thought: Faith is complete CONFIDENCE that God will do what He says He will do.

SO—
What is in the scriptures WILL happen.
What is said in your patriarchal blessing WILL happen.
What is said in your other priesthood blessings WILL happen.
Your personal revelation WILL happen.

BUT—only if you live up to your potential. Oddly, it all starts with the aforementioned confidence.

Remember that "nothing wavering" scripture in JSH?

DO YOU BELIEVE ENOUGH?
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JulieK said Mar 15, 2017 02:22:05
Great comments!

There are 3 things that faith must have (According to Elder Wirthlin). Apparently the brother of Jared exceeded in one or more of these areas than anyone who had lived before him.

1- Absolute Confidence in that which we cannot see
2- Action
3- Conformity to the will of Heavenly Father

Elder McConkie tells us that "Faith is the child of knowledge. It is reserved for those only who first have knowledge. . .Faith is founded on truth . . and faith is power."

We first learn about God and His plan, about Christ and His Gospel --- as we learn and put a place in our hearts for that faith can begin. It is nurtured by action -- obedience to the truths that we have been learning. As we seek to know the will of God and obey it with exactness faith will grow strong and powerful within us.

From Lectures on Faith 7:3 -- "We understand that when a man works by faith he works by mental exertion instead of physical force. It is by words, instead of exerting his physical powers, with which every being works when he works by faith. God said, 'Let there be light: and there was light.' . . .and the Saviors says: 'If you have faith as a grain of mustard see, say to this mountain, "Remove," and it will remove; or say to that sycamine tree, "Be ye plucked up, and planted in the midst of the sea," and it shall obey you.' Faith, then, works by words; and with these its mightiest works have been, and will be performed."

And lastly, another by McConkie: "Those who work by faith must first have faith; no one can use a power that he does not possess, and the faith or power must be gained by obedience to those laws upon which its receipt is predicated. These we have set forth. Those who work by faith must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and in his Father. They must accept at face value what the revealed word teaches as to the character, attributes, and perfections of the Father and the Son. They must then work the works of righteousness until they know within themselves that their way of life conforms to the divine will, and they must be willing to lay their all of the altar of the Almighty.
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David.Clark said Mar 15, 2017 05:05:59
I wanted to thank all of y'all for your insights! Very helpful as I seek clarity in this regard!!
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Dawn said Mar 15, 2017 05:31:35
See Ether chapter 12, especially verses 18-19. Perhaps Ether taught by example and MANY then SAW.

18 And neither at any time hath any wrought miracles until after their faith; wherefore they first believed in the Son of God.
19 And there were many whose faith was so exceedingly strong, even before Christ came, who could not be kept from within the veil, but truly saw with their eyes the things which they had beheld with an eye of faith, and they were glad.
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David.Clark said Mar 15, 2017 07:36:32
Awesome, Dawn ... thank you!
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David.Clark said Mar 15, 2017 08:32:08
I found this talk on faith from Elder Bednar at BYU Idaho in 2000. I thought I would share it here. I studied this talk ten years ago, but studying it again is helping me understand and relearn some important things. Here's the link to the video... https://video.byui.edu/media/David+A.+Bednar+%22According+to+Thy+Faith%22/0_2ckc3nvh/11602892. Here's the transcript.
Brothers and sisters, the summer of 2000 at Ricks College has been both historic and hectic. May I suggest that the announcement made by President Hinckley on June 21 concerning the future of Ricks College was not really about two-year nor four-year status, was not really about academic rank nor athletics, and was not really about a name change. The primary issue in President Hinckley's announcement was faith.

The topic of my message this afternoon is the first principle of the restored gospel, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Let me begin by emphasizing that the first principle of the gospel is not simply faith; rather, the first principle of the gospel is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Saving faith centers in the Savior and through Him in the Father (Bruce R. McConkie, A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 164). The faith about which I speak today is focused upon and rooted in the Savior and Redeemer, even the Lord Jesus Christ.

Out of reverence and respect for the name of the Savior and to avoid the too frequent repetition of His name, please keep in mind that as I now use the word "faith" I am referring to the more accurate and complete phrase of "faith in the Lord Jesus Christ."

What is faith?

Let us begin by first asking the question, what is faith? The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that faith is " . . . the first principle in revealed religion, and the foundation of all righteousness . . ." (Lecture 1, p. 31, The Lectures On Faith In Historical Perspective, Brigham Young University: Religious Studies Center, 1990).

One of the clearest and most concise definitions of the principle of faith is provided in the New Testament by Paul in the eleventh chapter of Hebrews, verse one: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." We should note here that the Prophet Joseph in his translation of the New Testament changed the word "substance" in this verse to "assurance." Thus, faith is the assurance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. The Prophet Joseph further commented on this definition of faith in Hebrews:

"From this we learn that faith is the assurance which men have of the existence of things which they have not seen, and that it is also the principle of action in all intelligent beings" (Lecture 1, p. 31).

Three key elements of faith, then, are highlighted in this verse from Hebrews and in the teachings of the Prophet Joseph: (1) faith is the assurance of things hoped for, (2) faith is the evidence of things not seen, and (3) faith is the principle of action in all intelligent beings.

Let me describe these three elements of faith in another way. Faith in the Savior simultaneously faces the future, looks to the past, and initiates action.

Faith as the substance or assurance of things hoped for faces the future. Please turn with me to Ether 3:9-11. In these verses the Lord is talking with the brother of Jared.

And the Lord said unto him: Because of thy faith thou hast seen that I shall take upon me flesh and blood; and never has man come before me with such exceeding faith as thou hast; for were it not so ye could not have seen my finger. Sawest thou more than this?

And he answered: Nay; Lord, show thyself unto me.

And the Lord said unto him: Believest thou the words which I shall speak? (emphasis added)


Please notice how the use of the word "shall" in verse eleven relates to the future. The Lord's question was not, "Believest thou the words which I have spoken?" Rather, the brother of Jared was asked to confirm his confidence in that which the Lord would speak before it was spoken. Thus, this future-facing element of faith fosters hope for things not yet obtained and grants assurance that they ultimately will be. Faith is inextricably tied to and results in hope. Thus, faith in Christ always leads to hope in Christ. This hope is much more than worldly wishing; it is expectation, it is anticipation, and it is assurance. The future-facing aspect of faith is reflected in our personal lives by the fact that each of us here today hopes that through the atonement of Christ and the power of His resurrection we can be raised unto eternal life (Moroni 7:41). We also have faith and hope that each of us can be a member of a forever family.

Faith as the evidence of things not seen typically looks to the past. Truly, our confidence and trust in God are strengthened by examples and evidence of His influence in the past. This element of faith provides proof and confirmation that things unseen indeed are real. For example, many of our pioneer forefathers were protected, preserved, and strengthened in the most difficult and demanding of circumstances. The legacy of faith and testimony they left for us provides powerful evidence of things not seen. Similarly, a young missionary called to serve in a remote part of the world, and who may be understandably anxious about his or her service, is fortified by the faith-promoting experiences of family and friends who already have served as full-time missionaries in various parts of the world.

The combination of (1) future-facing hope and (2) evidence acquired through experience (3) produces action. Faith always is the beginning or origin of action. True faith always is manifest in faithfulness; this is why good works always flow from faith. As we read in James, "Faith without works is dead" (James 2:20).

Frequently, the words "faith" and "belief" are used interchangeably in our everyday conversations. However, the teachings of the Prophet Joseph highlight an essential distinction between these two concepts. Remember, he emphasized that ". . . faith is . . . the principle of action in all intelligent beings" (Lecture 1, p. 31). Belief, on the other hand, is defined in our modern dictionary as the "mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something" (The American Heritage College Dictionary, p. 125, emphasis added). A belief is simply anything we mentally or intellectually accept as true. For example, we believe and accept as true the nature of the Godhead as taught by the Prophet Joseph Smith. We believe and accept as true the restoration of the gospel in its fullness in these latter days. And, most importantly, we believe and accept as true the reality of the atoning sacrifice of the Redeemer. In summary then, belief is the mental and intellectual acknowledgment, acceptance, and assent that something is true. Belief requires only the mind.

Faith grows out of and builds upon belief and produces action. Faith is not merely a positive mental attitude, or a strong will, or a Pollyanna-like approach to significant personal and public problems. A big "happy face" on our bathroom mirror is not an indictor of great faith. Please consider again the explanation by the Prophet Joseph Smith: ". . . faith is . . . the principle of action in all intelligent beings" (Lecture 1, p. 31).

Faith is evidenced in deeds. And as faith is the principle of action, so the opposite of faith, which we typically refer to as doubt, is the principle of inaction. Thus, if you and I have faith in Christ, we accept and live His teachings and we accept and obey His commandments. If you and I have faith in Christ, we strive to live worthily and seek for the companionship of the Holy Ghost, we repent of our sins, we minister to the poor and needy, we carefully listen to and apply the teachings of the living prophets, and we do the works of righteousness. Faith in prayer is evidenced in part when we kneel down. More importantly, however, faith is reflected when we get up and work diligently to accomplish that for which we have prayed. The true exercise of faith in prayer begins when we say, "amen." Whereas belief requires only the mind, faith ultimately requires all of our mind and all of our heart and all of our might and all of our strength.

Consider the children of Israel as they were transporting the ark of the covenant under the leadership of Joshua. This story of faith is found in the third chapter of the book of Joshua. The Israelites came to the River Jordan and were promised that the waters would part, or "stand upon an heap" as described in verse 13, and that they would be able to cross over on dry ground. Interestingly, the waters did not part as the children of Israel stood on the banks of the river and waited for something to happen; rather, the soles of their feet were wet before the water was parted. The faith of the Israelites was manifested in the fact that they walked into the water before it parted. They walked into the River Jordan with a future-facing assurance of things hoped for. As the Israelites moved forward, the water parted; and as they crossed over on dry land, they also were able to look back and behold the evidence of things not seen.

We all need to remember that faith is the assurance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. As President Boyd K. Packer has taught:

Faith, to be faith, must center around something that is not known. Faith, to be faith, must go beyond that for which there is confirming evidence. Faith, to be faith, must go into the unknown. Faith, to be faith, must walk to the edge of the light, and then a few steps into the darkness. If everything has to be known, if everything has to be explained, if everything has to be certified, then there is no need for faith. Indeed, there is no room for it. (Elder Boyd K. Packer, "What is Faith," Faith, Deseret Book Company, 1983, p. 42)

I now want to briefly emphasize four fundamental truths about faith

No. 1 -- We receive no witness or evidence until after the trial of our faith.

The tendency of the natural man or woman in each of us is to expect first the evidence of faith before we receive and act upon the assurance. This false pattern is summarized in the statements of individuals who say: "Show me a sign, and I will believe" or "Explain the reasons, and then I will follow." The Lord's pattern, however, is quite different. Seeing is not believing; rather, believing is seeing. Now, this afternoon we have already reviewed several examples of the Lord's pattern of belief and faith that leads to seeing and acting, i.e., the brother of Jared and the Israelites at the River Jordan. But I imagine many of you may be like me; I would rather have the evidence before I act. President Packer's description of walking to the edge of the light and then a few steps into the darkness is most vivid. Imagine a beam of light that surrounds us. God instructs, "Take a step into the darkness," and we respond, "First, move the light and then I will take the step." God instructs again, "You take the step and then the light will move." Faith is the assurance that precedes the act which ultimately yields the evidence.

As we walk to the edge of the light, I testify and promise that the light will move. When I was your age and wondering some of the exact same things that you are now wondering, I never would have imagined that someday Sister Bednar and I would be at Ricks College serving as we are now serving. I know the light moves as we walk in faith to the edge of the light.

No. 2 -- Faith is a gift from God.

Faith is not a trait to be developed nor a reward to be earned. Rather, it is a gift we receive from God. Scriptural synonyms for faith include trust, confidence, and reliance. Thus, the spiritual gift of faith enables us to trust in Christ and to have confidence in His power to cleanse, renew, and redeem us. Faith means we are beginning to rely upon His merits, mercy, and grace (2 Nephi 2:8; 31:19; Moroni 6:4). Indeed you and I have a responsibility to appropriately seek after this gift, and we must do all that we can do to qualify for the gift of faith. Ultimately, however, the gift is bestowed upon us by a loving and caring God. Elder James E. Talmage indicated in his classic book, The Articles of Faith, that faith is a gift from God:

Though within the reach of all who diligently strive to gain it, faith is nevertheless a divine gift, and can be obtained only from God (Matthew 16:17; John 6:44, 65; Ephesians 2:8; 1 Corinthians 12:9; Romans 12:3; Moroni 10:11). As is fitting for so priceless a pearl, it is given to those only who show by their sincerity that they are worthy of it, and who give promise of abiding by its dictates. Although faith is called the first principle of the Gospel of Christ, though it be in fact the foundation of all religion, yet even faith is preceded by sincerity of disposition and humility of soul, whereby the word of God may make an impression upon the heart (Romans 10:17). No compulsion is used in bringing men to a knowledge of God; yet, as fast as we open our hearts to the influences of righteousness, the faith that leads to life eternal will be given us of our Father. (p. 107)

President Joseph F. Smith also has taught:

Faith is always a gift from God to man, which is obtained by obedience as all other blessings are . . . . faith does not come without works; faith does not come without obedience to the commandments of God. (Gospel Doctrine, pp. 212-213)

May I simply suggest that young people of your age can and will and do receive this supernal gift. You need not be called to a visible or responsible position in the Church and you do not have to be "old" to qualify for this gift. An 18-year-old student at Ricks College can and should be blessed with great faith.

No. 3 -- Obedience strengthens faith; sin and wickedness diminish faith.

The Holy Ghost delivers the spiritual gift of faith. Obedience and righteousness invite the companionship of the third member of the Godhead. Sin and wickedness repulse the Holy Ghost and make it impossible for him to deliver spiritual gifts. Can you begin to see why our covenant to obey the commandments and our commitment to live in accordance with the honor and dress codes are so important? The standards at Ricks College are really not about hemlines and hairstyles; rather, they are about honor and integrity and inviting the companionship of the Holy Ghost to bestow upon us the gift of faith.

No. 4 -- Faith typically is evident over time in many small events and things rather than in a few big events and things.

We frequently think of faith in connection with mighty and miraculous events such as moving mountains and parting seas and raising the dead. It is important to remember, though, that faith typically is evident in many small events and things rather than in a few big events and things. It is also true that faith usually is bestowed upon us a little bit at a time rather than all at once--line upon line and precept upon precept.

Have you and I ever been frustrated in our efforts to exercise faith in prayer because we expect a "big" answer, and we expect it "now"? We may mistakenly conclude that because no answer came in the first few moments after saying "amen" that our prayer was not heard or that no answer was given. An answer to a prayer frequently is made up of many small answers given over a period of time--line upon line and precept upon precept. And I have also learned that those small answers almost always come as I am working to accomplish the things for which I have prayed. I may first receive a small prompting of assurance to proceed in a particular direction, then a small nudge to adjust my course, and finally a growing confidence and confirmation that the pathway I am pursuing is in accordance with the will of the Lord. Answers often come gradually and are more like dew distilling from heaven than a sudden flash flood.

My faith in the Savior and His atonement has come from countless small and seemingly insignificant conversations with members of the Church who have felt of His redeeming love. I, too, have felt that love. But I personally have not had a singular and defining experience that is the foundation of my faith. Rather, my faith is strengthened by a diligent home teacher who shared with me the experience of being prompted to say just the right thing at just the right time to assist a family in need, by a Sunday School teacher who excitedly described and testified about the experience of teaching by the Spirit a group of young men and young women, and by the missionary who acted upon a simple feeling that resulted in finding and teaching a golden investigator. Brothers and sisters, can you tell that in these simple experiences I am talking about you? I want you to leave this devotional assembly today with the assurance that you have faith and have experienced the blessings of faith. Remember, faith is evident over time in many small events and things rather than in a few big events and things.

I conclude with an experience Sister Bednar and I had with President and Sister Hinckley. We were eating dinner together at a banquet in Salt Lake City shortly after President Hinckley had returned from a demanding international trip. During the course of our conversation I asked President Hinckley this question, "President, given your travel schedule and the demands of your office, how do you keep up?" He smiled warmly and responded, "David, I do not keep up. I travel through so many time zones that when I am supposed to be wide awake, I am sleepy. When I am supposed to be sleepy, I am wide awake. The paperwork and other demands in the office are never ending." He then smiled and said something I will never forget: "But, David, I just keep going." Can you and I hear and recognize and feel the faith in that answer by the President of the Church. When he is tired, he just keeps going. When circumstances look difficult and even discouraging, he just keeps going. Regardless of the challenge, he just keeps going. In light of this episode with President Hinckley, please consider again the statement by the Prophet Joseph Smith: ". . . faith is . . . the principle of action in all intelligent beings" (Lecture 1, p. 31).

I know and testify that God the Eternal Father and His Beloved Son live. I know that faith in the Savior is a gift from God and a principle of action. I also know we can be blessed with this gift as we make and keep sacred covenants and are obedient. That we may diligently and properly seek for this sacred gift is my prayer, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
http://www2.byui.edu/Presentations/Transcripts/Devotionals/2000_08_29_Bednar.htm

Here's the link again to the video... https://video.byui.edu/media/David+A.+Bednar+%22According+to+Thy+Faith%22/0_2ckc3nvh/11602892
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Sharee Poyfair said Mar 15, 2017 14:49:10
This talk was exactly what I needed - thanks @David
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CindyLigouri said Mar 15, 2017 15:19:08
Great talk!
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Isaiah said Mar 15, 2017 15:43:18
A lot of important things in this talk to put into practice
in our own lives.
Great talk - thanks David

“According to the eternal laws which Jesus himself ordained in eternity, miracles are the fruit of faith.
Where there is faith, there will be signs, miracles, and gifts of the Spirit. Where there is no faith, these things cannot occur.”
(McConkie, DNTC, 1:322.)

here is just something else to think about that goes with faith.

faith without works is dead
James 2: 14-26

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead,
so faith without works is dead also.
"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
Philippians 4:13
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David.Clark said Mar 15, 2017 15:47:45
Thank you, Isaiah, for the additional insights!

Sharee, thank you for your kind words!
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janette boyce said Mar 16, 2017 00:46:21
Hi, I rarely post here but have been more of a lurker for about a year now. I love the spiritual direction this forum has taken over the last 6 months. Anyways, I seem to remember someone posting a speech from Jeffrey r Holland that addresses the question about the difference between the brother of Jared and previous prophets such as Adam and Enoch who also saw the face of God. It's called Rending the Veil of Unbelief. It was given in 1995 at a Sperry Symposium. I don't know how to put links in here, but u could google it. The talk by elder Badner was very good too.
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