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Interesting connection about the upcoming Civil War

posted Mar 15, 2017 14:56:06 by ShelleMcDermott
I just posted this in the thread about a reprieve, but thought it needed it's own thread.

What happens first in America when the Lord's wrath is started?

3Nephi 16:10

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

I think we have met all the requirements. I am actually surprised the tribulation in America didn't get worse in the last 5 or so years, but if you look at 3Nephi 20:15-17 we learn "HOW" the tribulation starts:

15 And I say unto you, that if the Gentiles do not repent after the blessing which they shall receive, after they have scattered my people—

16 Then shall ye, who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

17 Thy hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off.

It is the Remnant of Jacob!! What have we learned WHO they are? It is the Native Americans, South Americans, African-Americans and Arabs. (See Mike Stroud's podcast, "Remnant of Jacob".)

Yes, before the Jews were slaves in EGYPT, they intermarried. When the Jews were captured by the ASSYRIANS (ARABS, known as Syria today) they were made slaves and intermarried. When the Jews were scattered again by the BABYLONIANS (known as Iraq today). Lehi came from this area (Middle East, Jerusalem) and thus the genetics followed into North America. The Jaradites also brought this DNA to America.

Do we see an influx of these immigrants and refugees coming to this country? Has this influx in European countries caused problems for them? Enough to see great damage "as a lion among the beasts of the forest and a young lion among the flocks of sheep"?

Lastly, check out the prophesy Joseph Smith gave about the civil war:

D&C 87:4-6

4 And it shall come to pass, after many days, slaves shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshaled and disciplined for war.

5 And it shall come to pass also that the remnants who are left of the land will marshal themselves, and shall become exceedingly angry, and shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation.

6 And thus, with the sword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall mourn; and with famine, and plague, and earthquake, and the thunder of heaven, and the fierce and vivid lightning also, shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath, and indignation, and chastening hand of an Almighty God, until the consumption decreed hath made a full end of all nations;

After "many days" means the last days before the Lord's Second Coming!! Not a continuation of the 1st Civil War. Notice in v.5, "the remnants who are left of the land (in the last days) shall become exceedingly that happening today?

Then in v.6 with the sword and by bloodshed....until...a full end of all nations.

There you have it. Now you see where we are in the reprieve stage of the great winding up scenes.
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ChantelleT said Mar 15, 2017 15:17:28
this is currently happening in Europe with all the refugees. It's beginning to happen in America because of the new immigration ban and "war" against illegal immigrants. And I can see it soon boiling over because of the pipeline in Dakota.

Trump really is helping to fulfill prophecies!
MikeBarbS said Mar 15, 2017 15:17:40
Thanks Shelle. :)
Diana Olsen said Mar 15, 2017 16:20:23
Wow Shelle, Thank you!!!
KellyLifferth said Mar 15, 2017 16:35:09
Found this in the D&C institute manual :-)

D&C 87:5. Who Are the “Remnants Who Are Left of the Land”?

The word remnant is often used in the scriptures to refer to a segment of the house of Israel (see Topical Guide, “remnant,” 419). Because the Savior made specific promises about the remnants of the Nephites and Lamanites (see 3 Nephi 20:10, 16; 21:2, 4), many have assumed that this verse refers to the Lamanite peoples who would at some point arise and “vex the Gentiles” (D&C 87:5).

President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: “The history of this American continent … gives evidence that the Lamanites have risen up in their anger and vexed the Gentiles. This warfare may not be over. It has been the fault of people in the United States to think that this prophetic saying has reference to the Indians in the United States, but we must remember that there are millions of the ‘remnant’ in Mexico, Central and South America. It was during our Civil War that the Indians in Mexico rose up and gained their freedom from the tyranny which Napoleon endeavored to inflict upon them contrary to the prediction of Jacob in the Book of Mormon, that there should be no kings among the Gentiles on this land. The independence of Mexico and other nations to the south has been accomplished by the uprising of the ‘remnant’ upon the land. However, let us not think that this prophecy has completely been fulfilled.” (Church History and Modern Revelation, 1:363.)

In other places the word remnant is used generally of all Israel (see 1 Nephi 13:33), in some places it refers to the Jews (see Isaiah 37:31–32), and in some cases it refers specifically to the Latter-day Saints (see D&C 52:2.) So it is possible that the remnants mentioned in Doctrine and Covenants 87:5 could include people of the house of Israel other than the Lamanites.
ClaireE.Grover said Mar 15, 2017 17:49:23
OH my goodness! This is an amazingly cool insight. Could this really be true?
Yes. I think it is.

No wonder God told our church leaders to invite the refugees in and be kind to them. He is fulfilling His purposes. We need not be afraid or angry at the refugees. This is both a test for us, to see if we can be kind to those who will/may be our tormentors, and part of God's plan to bring about His work. The Lord will protect His people who are ordained to live, no matter what their circumstances.

This is amazing!

(Also known as fam,faith,n'freedom.)
RyanAllen said Mar 15, 2017 18:37:18
Wendy Nelson spoke of an experience in Russia where she asked a small room of relief society sisters which tribe their patriarchal blessings had declared them to be from. Out of about forty sisters, eleven or all twelve tribes were represented. As the ten tribes traveled north, many remained and intermarried with the locals. It stands to reason that the Russians could also be considered a remnant of Jacob.
JeffreyHenderson said Mar 15, 2017 19:14:31
Several years ago, when the "Arab Spring" was first starting to happen and news organizations were showing what was happening in Egypt, Libya, etc.... I happened to sit down in front of the TV and just sort of tune in and watched it. As I did, a voice came into my head and literally quoted D&C 87:4. I was kinda startled because it was not my thought and I knew it (one of those rare times where it was very clear that it was NOT my own thoughts). As I thought about what had just been told to me - I ran to the scriptures and looked up that scripture and read. It made sense to me that this was the beginning of what that revelation was referring to. Now, years later after having watched how things have rolled forward with all of this I can see even more clearly this was a very clear prompting. It woke me up at the time - and now I'm really awake. I can't believe the things I'm seeing unfold!
Jared Hague said Mar 15, 2017 22:18:49
Funny - I went back and listened to the "Remnant of Jacob" podcast again yesterday to see if I could answer some questions I'd been thinking about. Here are a couple of thoughts/questions:

@RyanAllen I thought the same thing when I re-listened to the podcast - that why WOULDN'T Russia's inhabitants also be considered a "remnant" of Jacob's family in light of the 10 tribes' northward migration. I am assuming going forward that they will be the "remnant" that scourges the gentile nations of Europe (without limitation on whether they eventually end up coming all the way to the U.S. as well).

Based on Mike Stroud's discussion of Jacob's DNA being interspersed among the eastern and western hemispheres, can anyone opine as to a location that would be DEVOID of any members of the House of Israel, and therefore disqualified from taking part in the prophecies of the "remnant of Jacob" mentioned in 3 Nephi?

I can appreciate that the "remnant of Jacob" is comprised of groups other than the "lamanites." HOWEVER, reading 3Nephi 16:16 closely, the Savior states "YE, who are A remnant of the house of Jacob..." He doesn't say anything to the effect of "Ye and THE remnant..." What I'm driving that is that the language of verse 16 seems to be directed specifically to those living on the American continents, with a secondary reference to their lineage as a part of the house of Jacob. I think it suggests that the "remnant" who will scourge the United States specifically are the descendants of the persons to whom Christ was speaking to directly when He visited THIS continent. I think the "remnant" referenced in 3 Nephi 16 refers is composed of something along the lines of 99% persons indigenous to the American continents, 1% persons from other continents. Any thoughts?

One last thought I had while listening to the podcast yesterday was 1Nephi 13:14, where it refers to the gentiles "scattering" and "smiting" the lamanites. Not necessarily the same as a "scourge," but how could so many multitudes of people be subjected and driven with relatively little effort from the gentiles? The answer is "plague." I don't know the exact numbers, but millions of indigenous Americans died from "new" gentile diseases long before they ever even SAW a "gentile." When I think about how it is possible that the people of Mexico, Central America and/or South America could ever go amongst our nation as a "lion," it makes so much more sense to me that we would already be in a weakened condition by virtue of plagues and/or other disasters, in the same way that the lamanites were already weakened by the time my forebearers started their westward expansion. Again, just a thought.
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ChantelleT said Mar 16, 2017 00:55:53
Interesting thought on plagues, Jared. That would certainly make it easier for the remnant to go through the gentiles like a lion among lambs. And we already know that plagues are coming soon.
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