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Holy Spirit (not Holy Ghost)

posted Mar 17, 2017 23:39:15 by BeckyG.
I keep thinking of all the conference talks recently that are telling us to work on our spiritual side. Then reading Mike Strouds book (podcasts) and realizing that when someone talks of the Holy Spirit, it is NOT the Holy Ghost.
Mike talks like the Holy Spirit is a source of power that is used or interwoven in the universe. A source we have the opportunity to link in to and use to do MANY WONDERFUL THINGS... an unlimited source of power if we can learn to harness it and direct it to be used for Gods purposes.
This is something I struggle with. When do I have the time to "be still" and "feel" or "connect to" this all powerful source? Life happens in varying levels of crazy (car/kids/house/money) issues, and meditation is virtually impossible for me.
Any suggestions? Besides running away. :/
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Jesse Slater said Mar 17, 2017 23:59:33
Meditation meditation meditation! You have to make time to do it :) even just 15 minutes when the kids are in bed. I have had some incredible experiences connecting to the holy spirit that links us all together, and to God. When you're still, you can access it.
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MikeBarbS said Mar 18, 2017 00:49:09
Becky....the secret is to be still! When you figure that out, let me know so I can learn how to do it! LOL! :)
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David.Clark said Mar 18, 2017 01:20:56
I don't believe that you can draw a bright line and say that any reference to "the Spirit" is a reference to the Light of Christ and never the Holy Ghost.

In Spanish, for example, the Holy Ghost is translated to El Espiritu Santo, which means the Holy Spirit. So, in Spanish, we only speak of the Holy Spirit and never the Holy Ghost (because there's no separate translation for Holy Ghost). If such a bright line distinction were doctrinal, i presume that the distinction would hold true in other languages.

LDS.org defines the Holy Ghost as follows:
The Holy Ghost is the third member of the Godhead. He is a personage of spirit, without a body of flesh and bones. He is often referred to as the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Lord, or the Comforter.
https://www.lds.org/topics/holy-ghost?lang=eng&old=true


The Light of Christ is defined on LDS.org as follows:
The Light of Christ is the divine energy, power, or influence that proceeds from God through Christ and gives life and light to all things. The Light of Christ influences people for good and prepares them to receive the Holy Ghost. One manifestation of the Light of Christ is what we call a conscience.

Additional Information
The Light of Christ “proceedeth forth from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space.” It is “the light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed” (D&C 88:12-13; see also D&C 88:6-11). This power is an influence for good in the lives of all people (see John 1:9; D&C 93:2). In the scriptures, the Light of Christ is sometimes called the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, or the Light of Life.

The Light of Christ should not be confused with the Holy Ghost. It is not a personage, as the Holy Ghost is. Its influence leads people to find the true gospel, be baptized, and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (see John 12:46; Alma 26:14-15).

Conscience is a manifestation of the Light of Christ, enabling us to judge good from evil. The prophet Mormon taught: “The Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God. … And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged” (Moroni 7:16, 18).

See also Conscience; Holy Ghost
https://www.lds.org/topics/light-of-christ?lang=eng&old=true

So, the Light of Christ is never the Holy Ghost, but the Spirit might be a reference to the Holy Ghost or the Light of Christ depending on the context.
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HelenPirtle said Mar 18, 2017 02:32:01
Yes David, and for the very reasons you stated (in the definitions) it is often confusing about who or which is being referred to. I appreciated learning the clarification of His Spirit as spoken in the sacramental prayers as not being the Holy Ghost. Then the next month's ensign has President Eyring stating that the Holy Ghost is what is promised to us in the sacrament prayer. It is confusing trying to find out what is meant by Holy Spirit or Spirit of Christ.
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BonnieJensen said Mar 18, 2017 03:31:58
Thank you David, and Helen I agree. I seem to remember a conference talk about 20 years ago asking us to refer to the Holy Ghost as the Holy Spirit. Anyone else remember that? I tried but couldn't change over. It didn't seem to last but adds to the confusion. This is good example of several terms​/subjects that seem to have a different definition depending on who is talking. I get confused. A related term is the gift of the holy ghost vs baptism of fire. I listen to bro. Stroud and think I get it, and then there is a SS lesson, or a conference​ talk that present differing ideas.↩↪↖↘↕??
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MichaelClaridge said Mar 18, 2017 04:26:26
One of my favorite Brother Stroud Podcasts was where toward the end the podcast he said the following:

So the Lord says, be not troubled. So how can we get to that point where we can have that kind of attitude in the midst of chaos and turmoil? And my answer for you is this, take time to be holy. In your busy schedules find the time to practice holiness. Allow the Lord to make you holy. You don't become holy by anything you can do. There are certain things that you do that puts you in a position where the Lord can make you holy.

One of the things that John Pontius is said, I don't know if it was in his book or when I had a chance to talk to him. I was in the Philippines, I was never able to talk with Brother John face-to-face but we chatted back and forth while Margi and I were in the Philippines, and I loved his teachings and the things that he put resonated with me to such a degree that it became foundational for me. And I remember one of the great one-liners that Brother John said, and I've quoted this 100 times, especially as each day goes by and we become more frantic, more deceived, more distracted, more in a hurry and enjoy the loudness instead of solitude.

Brother John said this, “Do less and become more.” I think that is so profound. Especially in our world, “Do less and become more.” When the Lord says that he will accept no more sacrifice of animals and the shedding of blood, that's over in 3rd Nephi chapter 9, but a new sacrifice that he requires from us, even a sacrifice of a broken heart and a contrite spirit. Can I tell you that to bring that sacrifice to the Lord is going to require that you reorder, reevaluate, and prioritize your time.


I think it is becoming almost an imperative for each one of us to take time to be holy, at no matter the cost. The alternative is too steep a price.

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David.Clark said Mar 18, 2017 08:19:30
Amen, Brother Michael, amen!!👏👏👏
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JeffreyHenderson said Mar 18, 2017 13:30:12
I loved that as well, Michael! Brother Pontius was amazing. Going to temple each week, and studying scriptures each mornings is my chance to practice holiness. But I'm thinking I also need to practice Holiness when I'm perhaps making dinner for the family, or working along side them in the yard, or at work with co-workers. I guess it's having the Lord in your mind all the time and trying to be near him, no matter where you are. Not always easy. I guess that having your eye single
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Amy Taula said Mar 18, 2017 14:30:49
Julie I firmly believe you posted that just for me this morning. My husband and I JUST had this conversation last night because some family is in town and I struggle with being judgmental and critical. All of these posts are an answer to my prayer. So thank you!! Doing less and become more...make time to meditate...allowing God to change our natures and making the time for Him to make us holy...ALL things I needed this morning.
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LoryVanValkenbur said Mar 18, 2017 19:49:08
Thank you everyone! Great thread. I don't know if this will add anything, but I recently had a dream that has helped me better understand the Holy Spirit. In it a scripture was shared with me. It reads in our scriptures "Be still and know that I am God". I was taught that it is better read "Be still, and know that I am God". As stated previously, it's during, in ,and through those times when we are " still" that the Holy Spirit can influence us. We must create those moments and sacred opportunities. After this dream I started pondering over the times when I am still;praying, during the sacrament, fasting, studying, driving etc. It has helped me tremendously understanding this.

Once again I was reminded of the importance of the 12 Principles of Promise, which is #5 The Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost. #3 Pondering is also deeply connected to this concept
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David.Clark said Mar 18, 2017 20:02:42
JulieK, I couldn't go to church at all for nearly two years due to health. I felt my heart was changing for the better in so many ways. But, again, I wasn't interacting with hardly anyone during that time. I was able to get a fancy motorized wheelchair and a handicap van, which gave me the means to get to Church. I quickly learned that I had not grown nearly as much as I thought I had. It really was quite humbling.

Thank you, Lory, for your wisdom!
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Jesse Slater said Mar 18, 2017 21:14:28
The Holy Ghost is the literal EMBODIMENT of The Holy Spirit. He is one with Christ, Christ is one with the Father, and they are all the literal EMBODIMENT of light, truth, love, and the Holy Spirit which is what holds the universe together :)

They are not just experts in light, love and truth - they ARE light, love and truth. Yet they are individuals... hard to grasp the concept!
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BonnieJensen said Mar 19, 2017 03:04:57
Becky, I just reread your post and heard a plea for ideas on how to find the time as you lead a hectic lifestyle of young motherhood. I really relate to that delema. I had my first 3 in 3 years with a total of 7. Sometimes I read my scriptures while nursing my baby. I also was a stickler for early, consistent bed times. After bedtime was MY time. After a long day filled with runny noses, crying babies etc. That quiet time was precious. It may seem trite, but remember "seasons". "This too shall pass." "The Lord understands". And all those other platitudes. In my opinion, the fact that you are stretching to be all God wants you to be in spite of all that is on your plate, speaks volumes about who you really are. I know God is pleased with you!
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David.Clark said Mar 19, 2017 03:09:25
Well said, Bonnie, as always! 👏👏👏
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JulieK said Mar 19, 2017 03:22:34
David, thanks for the 2nd witness of that principle. :)
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