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diet in the millennium

posted Mar 19, 2017 14:42:02 by SusanMalone
Isaiah 65:25 indicates that in the millennium animals that are predators will have a miraculous change in their bodies, and will eat differently. It says that the wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock; and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain.

Then in D&C 89:4 we learn that the Lord gave us the word of wisdom by revelation because of evils and designs which will exist in the last days in the hearts of conspiring men (I think of this every time I see a tv commercial for pharmaceuticals or food). We all know the basics of word of wisdom compliance for a temple recommend. But is there more the Lord invites us to do to be healthier and thus better able to build Zion?

Verses 12-13 (one sentence): Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly; and it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine. (I know there is a lot of controversy over that little comma after the word used, which was added later, but totally changes the meaning if it is there or is not- but the addition of that comma is what we have today, and it then fits as far as meaning with the other verses)

Verse 14 talks about grains for the staff of life for us and for animals

Verse 15: And these (footnote refers back to verse 13) hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

It may be possible that we would please the Lord more if we did not eat meat except to save our lives- in the 4 conditions mentioned: famine (mentioned twice), excess of hunger, winter or cold. I have thought a lot about this information over the years. Since the Lord mentions these 4 conditions there must be some difference between famine and excess of hunger (unless it is a parallel structure?) and winter and cold. I had a friend who worked in a warehouse and it was so physically demanding that she could not eat enough to keep from losing weight. To me that is excess hunger even if there is no famine. Clearly in a famine the animals will starve as well, so thinning the herds is beneficial to those that survive as well.

But reading in Isaiah got me to wondering... if the animals will not be eating each other, would we be wrong in assuming we will be eating animals? Would we be wise to prepare now for a millennial diet? Would we be better prepared to endure what is ahead if we have more strength and stamina because we are feeding our bodies the way the Lord designed them?
verse 14: "All wholesome herbs (footnote references plants like fruits, herbs (vegetables), seeds and grains) God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man- every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

So much I don't understand... in the season (when ripe? what about foods we preserve- are they still "in season"???), with prudence (skill and good judgment, caution as to danger or risk, using reason) and thanksgiving (looks like we need to make sure we are giving thanks for any food we have to eat!).

Anyway- those are just my musings about how to take care of my body. I was born into a non-member home and was not raised with the word of wisdom. I was raised on lots of sugar, dairy, meat, processed foods and few vegetables and fruits... I have struggled with several health issues and believe that health can be improved by improving my diet, not just using drugs to deal with symptoms. And now I wonder even more about how to prepare for the millennium.
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HaileyStephens said Mar 19, 2017 17:02:13
You would enjoy the facebook group, Discovering the Word of Wisdom. Is is based around the WOW and Jane Birch's book she wrote about her discovery of the WOW and how she changed her diet and healed her body through obediance. I decided to stop eating meat myself because of this.
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ElishaJones said Mar 19, 2017 17:15:33
I have pondered on this as well. Could famine mean something more than just the unavailability of food? With so many allergies and food intolerances, I know of some that their bodies can't tolerate grains at all. They have to eat meat. Would this be a type of famine?

Also, will are bodies be changed in the millennium?
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Tiffany_Fletcher said Mar 19, 2017 17:26:43
The Spirit told me two weeks ago we needed to transition to this kind of a diet. Actually, the Spirit has been telling me for over a year but two weeks ago, it was so strong I could no longer deny it. I knew my family would not be happy about it. Every time I've brought it up in the past, they have said no. This time, I asked Heavenly Father that if it was what he wanted me to do for my family, that he would soften their hearts and help them understand the importance and have a desire to do it with me.

The Spirit told me to watch the documentary, Forks Over Knives with them. We did, and then discussed it together. My husband had an aha moment about how he was the healthiest when he was on his mission in Romania where he ate little if no meat, only fruits vegetables and grains, and cheese. He said it would be worth it if he could feel that good again. Once he was onboard, our kids were. We have been doing it for a week now and try a different recipe every night. I did some research and stocked our pantry with fresh foods, grains and spices, and believe it or not, the Spirit has been teaching me how to put things together to make things delicious. It has been amazing and my family, including my teenage boys and picky girls have loved the food.

This has been the most incredible thing to me. I'm not a fan of cooking so I was really worried I was going to struggle with this, and to be honest, by husband was worried I would get overwhelmed. But, I kid you not, the Spirit has told me what to do to make it delicious and it has been awesome! We have had stuffed peppers, meatless spaghetti, vegetable curry over rice, stuffed cabbage leaves, taco soup, and meatless sloppy Joe's. It's not as hard as you think and really delicious. I use the Forks Over Knives app to get an idea of what to make and then just go from there and add in ingredients I have. I have never cooked this way before, but it is so much fun! Plus, my kids help with the meal prep, so they are more apt to eat it.

We are still in a transition phase, so while we are eating meatless, some meals I will add cheese, but it is much less than we used to eat. Also, we still eat eggs because we have chickens, which the Spirit told us to get, so I'm pretty sure God intends for us to eat the eggs.

I made the deal with my kids that we could have one meat meal a week, but so far, no one has asked for it, so I'm not even sure if we'll do that. We also told them that once a month, we would take them out to whatever restaurant they wanted where they could eat meat, as an incentive for them to try this new lifestyle. We are actually saving money in groceries by not buying meat, so it's really a win win for us.

I'm not saying it's right for everyone, but it has been a miracle to implement it in our home, and a very smooth transition. I think if you just start slowly, and include the Lord in all you do, it will be easier than you think. :)
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HaileyStephens said Mar 19, 2017 17:34:00
Another thing i have been led to is the MAG group of Magnesium Advocacy Group. I highly recommend it. My goal has been to become Self reliant in my own health. After listening to this doctor, i do believe all illness starts with mineral deficiencies. The processed food industry wants us to think our foods are fortified but really those fake nutrients are not helping, they are imbalancing us. Thyroid issues start with Adrenal fatigue, everyone needs more magnisium, copper zinc and B6, Vit D from sun as it is a hormone not a vitamin. We need food add ources not pills for these crucial minerals. Please go look it up. I have only been doing the protocol since yesterday and this is the first headache free menstruation i have had in my entire life. I have been praying to find a way to get free of Ibuprofen. I am free of all other OTC or prescription meds. I don't even take antibiotics. The only thing i relied on was ADVIL TO get me through my 3 day hormonal headache that accompanies my cycle.
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LoryVanValkenbur said Mar 19, 2017 18:43:38
It's interesting that so many are choosing to eliminate meat, and yet, I have been strongly prompted to can so much. I'm thinking that the protein is going to be needed. I'm heeding the word of wisdom more than ever now, but my promptings are thought provoking for me. It's all humbling.
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RyanAllen said Mar 19, 2017 19:31:47
A month or so ago, someone in my ward had a question for me about the Word of Wisdom. I re-read section 89 and the issue of eating meat (which had nothing to do with what I was looking for) jumped right out at me. The Spirit told me that I needed to follow this counsel, which is a huge change for me. I looooove all kinds of meat. If I could eat at Rodizio Grill (Brizilian steakhouse) every night, I would. I have not cut meat out of my diet completely, but I have scaled back a lot and will continue to do so. It's not a big issue for my family, so that's a blessing. My wife has been on a meatless diet our entire marriage and she is happy that I am finally seeing the light. One observation from section 89, however, is that it mentions the flesh of beasts and fouls of the air--nothing about fish. Jesus ate fish after He was resurrected. I am taking that as a full-on green light for seafood! ūüėú

If we consider the millennial food described in VOG, we shouldn't have to eat much at all and what we do eat will be very nutritious.
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SelenaRobins said Mar 19, 2017 20:56:39
I have also been prompted in this direction. I have been pondering the following quote from the "Discovering the Word of Wisdom" forum for some time:

By: Sha Smith

I have been eating a WFPBD for over 11 years. I have found that over time, different things have been "taught/revealed" to me by the spirit that are not specifically found in the WOW. (I choose not to eat eggs, honey, or milk, along with meats of any kind, unless i am in a famine. Which hasn't happened to me yet) I had a friend attack me for not eating eggs, cheese etc because they are not specifically mentioned in the WOW. I simply shared with her my experience and witness.

There was a talk that Elder Bednar gave at one of our broadcast stake conference sessions. He said that as one follows the commandments of the Lord as written, more commandments will come specifically to them, through personal revelation because they are further along on their personal journey and are ready/prepared to receive new, hidden treasures of knowledge.

I am healthier, happier and blessed because of these choices I made. So my best answer is this...each person must follow the dictates of their own heart being led by the spirit. And for others to not judge them as they find their own way. This is simply my experience. It doesn't make it right, it doesn't make it wrong, it just makes it my experience.

The short of it is that honey tastes nasty to me about a year into my journey. Then I stumbled upon an article that was so eye opening to me. John the Baptist in the scriptures is said to have eaten honey locust. I was always grossed out that he ate bugs and honey. Well... turns out in that region there is a bean called the "honey locust" bean, which is what he ate- a pulse. That was really an AHA moment for me. There is so much more I learned.

I have had people ask me about fish too.. Why don't I eat fish after all Jesus ate fish. Well...funny story about that as well. In the Jewish/Hebrew culture there is a special bread served on special occasions, like wedding feasts. This bread is usually made by the baker. They were baked in special pans or shaped like fish by hand and referred to as "Fish/Fishes" loaf/loaves. This loaf was very unlike the rustic, round, "loaves" housewives baked. If you asked a baker for fishes, you got a fish shaped loaf. So when the Savior asked him to get "fishes and loaves" he was asking for bread to feed all who were there, and knew that He would need all the "bread" the baker had to offer even special occasion bread. Another interesting tidbit is that following that new understanding the "broiled fish" that the Savior ate was "toasted bread". Sometimes it is little nuances that you find in the scriptures that are an "AHA" moment.

Over the years, I have had a LOT of AHA moments about the WOW, including things about Daniel, Alma, Nephi and his family, the Savior, John the Baptist and more. There really are hidden treasures that you are lead to once you follow all of the WOW, the do's and the don'ts.

It just seemed so contrary to me that our Savior, who is filled with love and compassion for all (including living creatures) would eat them. Eating flesh is a terrestrial law, not celestial. Celestial law is when the lamb will lay down with the lion, flesh will not be consumed. So discovering that "fishes" was bread made so much sense to my heart, spirit and mind.
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NormJohnson said Mar 19, 2017 21:37:09
D&C 49:18 ‚ÄčAnd whoso ‚Äč‚Äč‚Äčforbiddeth‚Äč to ‚Äč‚Äč‚Äčabstain‚Äč from ‚Äč‚Äč‚Äčmeats‚Äč, that man should not eat the same, is not ordained of God;
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RyanAllen said Mar 19, 2017 21:43:49
First of all, I can't believe you're trying to take fish away from me, Selena!
Secondly, I am not buying into this woman's theory about the fish Jesus ate being bread. Come on. His apostles were fishermen. They weren't casting their nets hoping to land some sourdough! Jesus didn't ask have ye any goldfish crackers. He asked have ye here any meat and they gave him a piece of a broiled fish.
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Diana Olsen said Mar 19, 2017 21:49:56
Lol, Ryan you crack me up! ūüėā
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SelenaRobins said Mar 19, 2017 21:57:06
Haha! I know, Im so rude right? No, honestly, I'm on my own path when it comes to the WoW. Old habits die hard. But it was food for thought for me. The whole line upon line concept rang true to me. And I was curious about some of the things she has discovered in living this diet for 11 years. That's a long time. I'm still struggling with the basics of how to live without meat. I have always been a cheeseburger junkie if it makes you feel any better.
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SelenaRobins said Mar 19, 2017 21:58:54
Actually, let me rephrase that: a bacon cheeseburger junkie.
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MikeBarbS said Mar 19, 2017 22:49:48
I am fine either way.....I like meat like bacon, chicken, ground beef....but I am fine without them... I think that meats provide a great deal of protein that we need!
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NikkiMoshier said Mar 19, 2017 23:13:44
RyanAllen I hear ya! I love my fish too! The Lord wants us to be healthy and happy for sure! This life is all about finding balance. As long as vegetables, fruits, and grains are our main staple, we are able to enjoy a little meat here and there. Which is why fasting is so important. It feeds our spirit, but also cleanses our bodies and digestive systems. Eating a lot of acidic foods (meats, sugar, processed foods..) is one of the main reasons for sickness and disease. An acidic body is basically a breeding ground for disease. If we keep our bodies alkaline by eating fresh fruits, veggies, whole foods etc.. We will be able to free up vital energy to efficiently digest our food properly, absorb important vitamins and nutrients, and be less susceptible to illness and other issues.
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Tiffany_Fletcher said Mar 19, 2017 23:25:17
@Lory, I imagine your promptings are coming because you are storing up for a time of famine. The protein from that meat will be crucial to the survival of many. It will add to their strength and ability to do hard things. :)

@NormJohnson, I believe that scripture is absolutely true. No "man" should be telling other men what to eat, it is not our place. We are all at different parts of our journey, which is why personal revelation is so important. We each go to Father and He tells us what to do next. For some that may mean to eat more fruits and vegetables, for some that may mean to completely cut out meat. For some, they won't be told anything until the Millenium. This is why it's so important that we don't judge, refrain from telling people what they should do, and spend our days listening to the SPIRIT and serving our neighbors with love and kindness. Those are my thoughts, anyway. Isn't it great that we all get to learn directly from the Lord? I love it! :)
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