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diet in the millennium

posted Mar 19, 2017 14:42:02 by SusanMalone
Isaiah 65:25 indicates that in the millennium animals that are predators will have a miraculous change in their bodies, and will eat differently. It says that the wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock; and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain.

Then in D&C 89:4 we learn that the Lord gave us the word of wisdom by revelation because of evils and designs which will exist in the last days in the hearts of conspiring men (I think of this every time I see a tv commercial for pharmaceuticals or food). We all know the basics of word of wisdom compliance for a temple recommend. But is there more the Lord invites us to do to be healthier and thus better able to build Zion?

Verses 12-13 (one sentence): Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly; and it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine. (I know there is a lot of controversy over that little comma after the word used, which was added later, but totally changes the meaning if it is there or is not- but the addition of that comma is what we have today, and it then fits as far as meaning with the other verses)

Verse 14 talks about grains for the staff of life for us and for animals

Verse 15: And these (footnote refers back to verse 13) hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

It may be possible that we would please the Lord more if we did not eat meat except to save our lives- in the 4 conditions mentioned: famine (mentioned twice), excess of hunger, winter or cold. I have thought a lot about this information over the years. Since the Lord mentions these 4 conditions there must be some difference between famine and excess of hunger (unless it is a parallel structure?) and winter and cold. I had a friend who worked in a warehouse and it was so physically demanding that she could not eat enough to keep from losing weight. To me that is excess hunger even if there is no famine. Clearly in a famine the animals will starve as well, so thinning the herds is beneficial to those that survive as well.

But reading in Isaiah got me to wondering... if the animals will not be eating each other, would we be wrong in assuming we will be eating animals? Would we be wise to prepare now for a millennial diet? Would we be better prepared to endure what is ahead if we have more strength and stamina because we are feeding our bodies the way the Lord designed them?
verse 14: "All wholesome herbs (footnote references plants like fruits, herbs (vegetables), seeds and grains) God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man- every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

So much I don't understand... in the season (when ripe? what about foods we preserve- are they still "in season"???), with prudence (skill and good judgment, caution as to danger or risk, using reason) and thanksgiving (looks like we need to make sure we are giving thanks for any food we have to eat!).

Anyway- those are just my musings about how to take care of my body. I was born into a non-member home and was not raised with the word of wisdom. I was raised on lots of sugar, dairy, meat, processed foods and few vegetables and fruits... I have struggled with several health issues and believe that health can be improved by improving my diet, not just using drugs to deal with symptoms. And now I wonder even more about how to prepare for the millennium.
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KarleneCarper said Mar 20, 2017 22:58:45
Interesting thread. And then, I just read this in Romans (and I wasn't even searching this topic of what we should eat: )

1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
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BeckyG. said Mar 20, 2017 23:31:46
Ryan...I love your comments. Straight forward!
I've had the impression (for over a year---that I've ignored) that I need to eat more like the WOW; nothing specific to meat, but more towards NOT EATING processed foods.
As far as fish goes, I see the radiation from that Japan thing has traveled all through the Pacific ocean...I'm thinking I can do without radioactive fish products. No thank you. I love fish...don't get me wrong, but I just can't force myself to eat it anymore.
I've been getting sick more often this year...Christmas time, and twice since. They are colds that just hang on FOREVER!!! I'm wondering if I'm not being "through sickness" FORCED to change my diet. I will say I'm 100 pounds over weight...Doing stuff is harder for me. But if I can get to a meditation state, I think I could use some hypnosis to re program my sick brain.
At this point...I LOVE ALL FOOD and it loves me back... thighs, belly, chins, etc.
Faith not Fear!!
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Betty Kyler said Mar 20, 2017 23:44:59
By the time the millennium comes, I'll eat the way the spirit prompts me but until then I will eat meat and what I have consumed for years. Not worried.
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HelenPirtle said Mar 21, 2017 01:21:46
Here is another scripture to consider. This discussion has centered a lot on whether to eat or not to eat MEAT.

Gen 1:29 Just following the verses of the creation of man in God's image we have verse 29. "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

The same verse is repeated in Moses 2:29-30 stating "every clean herb for meat".

Also, Abr. 4:29 states the same thing, "the fruit of the tree yielding seed to them we will give it; it shall be for their meat."

How is that for three witnesses all stating that the herb bearing fruits will be our MEAT.
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Dawn said Mar 21, 2017 01:30:49
Good thoughts Susan.
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ClaireE.Grover said Mar 21, 2017 01:35:20
Karlene, that is an amazing scriptural reference. Thank you!

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant?

It so perfectly encapsulates what I was planning to say. We don't get to decide what the perfect diet for others is. We get to get humble enough that we can hear and accept the Lord's will for US individually. I don't get to judge others for their hyper self control OR their lack of self control in what they eat, because maybe God told them to eat that way. In the same token, I darn well better be close enough to the Lord to hear him tell ME what to eat, and be submissive enough to obey. So, I'm not going to say word one about what my food experience has been, because it may not apply to any of you.


Love.

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Jesse Slater said Mar 21, 2017 01:42:29
Becky, it never hurts try eating Alkaline (meat is not alkaline, but you don't have to cut it out completely) because so many people recommend it, and then get a witness from the spirit that it's really really good for the body and soul :)
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Isaiah said Mar 21, 2017 01:54:45
Actually Helen, I believe that in those verses,
the word "meat" means food, not meat meat.

God is telling us that we should use these herbs to eat;
for our food.

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food."
"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
Philippians 4:13
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NikkiMoshier said Mar 21, 2017 01:56:03
BeckyG, listen to that impression. The cold and flu season has been really bad this year, and I have a feeling it is just going to continue to get worse every year.
Have you ever heard of Yoga Nidra? It's a sleep based meditation, also known as yogic sleep. It's pretty amazing. In regular meditation, you remain in the waking state of consciousness, and gently focus the mind, while allowing thought patterns, emotions, sensations, etc to arise and go on. However, in Yoga Nidra, you leave the waking state, go past the dreaming state, and go to deep sleep, yet remain awake. You are taken to the alpha and theta states of consciousness where you are no longer bound by your identity, ie: I am.. a wife, an executive, a failure, overweight, unhappy, etc. In this state you are able to actually clear the cobwebs so to speak. You remain the neutral observer, and are able to rewrite and change the unhealthy perceptions, limiting beliefs and samskaras(mental habits,or grooves from past experiences)and even create new more helpful habits.
It also, restores balance to the nervous system, reduces blood pressure, increases blood flow, reduces stress, lowers cholesterol, improves glucose regulation, strengthens immune system, lessens chronic pain, and increases healing response.
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LauriWiseman said Mar 21, 2017 02:39:49
Just some thoughts from prophets and apostles...
"Return to Sparingly" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGXodVrYsA
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Dawn said Mar 21, 2017 02:42:02
I don't think we can take a diet given in the garden of Eden, a perfect world, for perfect people, and apply it perfectly to us who live in a fallen world. The word of wisdom is for OUR day.Beyond that, we use wisdom and the Spirit. One of the first instructions given to Noah coming off the ark was this.

Genesis 9: 3

3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

But we also know Daniel and his friends were more healthy than everyone else living on pulse.

So, we take it all in context and do our best. 😊
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SusanMalone said Mar 21, 2017 03:34:40
Thanks for sharing different viewpoints!

I have never heard of Yoga Nidra, so I looked it up. It sounds so interesting- maybe it will help me.

I really enjoyed Return to Sparingly- I had never read most of those quotes before. Much to think about.

and the passage from Romans is perfect. We need to follow the Spirit for the care of our own body and hope others will do the same. There is much deceit in the world, which does lead to addictions and enslavement. But until one realizes their condition they can not make effort to escape it. I think that is why obedience is so important.
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