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Tracking devices - cell phone, laptops, tablets

posted Mar 19, 2017 13:17:15 by HelenPirtle
Can anyone confirm this?
Earlier this week I read an article about how these electronic devices can be used to track anyone, even if the battery has been removed. Is this true?

I had hoped that if a call out occurred, I would take my laptop or tablet which has many books, church manuals, scriptures, articles and teaching material. If that is not possible, I need to rethink my preparations in this area.
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SusanMalone said Mar 19, 2017 14:04:01
What an interesting question. I don't know, but I would be interested in the answer.

My husband, who has a degree in electronics, and I have discussed similar topics in the past, such as the idea of a chip inserted under the skin that can track you. He says it is not possible at this time because in order for that to happen the chip has to emit a signal. In order for that to happen, the chip must have a source of power. He said that right now the technology only allows it to be read from a close distance when scanned by an appropriate device (like passing your hand over or under a scan gun that is just inches away. The same is true with micro-chipping your dog. The vet would have to use a scanner close to the dog to read the info on the chip- you can't find your lost dog with a plane flying over head looking for the dog's chip.

A laptop is a different matter. I assume you have a solar charger. With a power source perhaps it is possible to be tracked. But here is my first thought- if you have prayed about it and felt like it was the way for you to prepare, then don't worry about it any more. You have been obedient, and the Lord can hide any signal from your laptop. We need to be motivated by faith and love, not fear. Fear is in Satan's dominion. Obedience, faith and love bring blessings.
ElishaJones said Mar 19, 2017 17:29:32
My husband watched a segment on 60 Minutes where it they showed how easy it is for someone to get all kinds of information from you just by getting on public Wi-Fi, like at a hotel, airport, etc. They had professional hackers on and had a lady sign on to a public Wi-Fi at the Four Seasons Hotel. The instant she did it they had all kinds of information on her. They also can hear you through your camera on your phone. It was kind of alarming.
KellyLifferth said Mar 19, 2017 20:01:25
iPhones have a location setting in the settings that can be turned off. I believe the default programming on iPhones require you to activate the setting, but android is automatically set (I could have those backwards). Regardless, I dont see how any device could transmit a location to any source without a wifi signal. I dont see how that is even possible with a communication breakdown, which is what would happen during a large scale earthquake like what we are expecting. the infrastructure would collapse and make wifi and internet spotty, if it is functional at all. besides, with an economic collapse, how would anyone pay internet provider bills and still keep those luxuries operating?
SusanMalone said Mar 20, 2017 05:14:58
I just asked my husband- he said turning off your wi-fi and blue tooth is essential to keeping that from happening. Tracking devices need an external power source to operate, which then transmit a signature, which is an id code. So it is not simple, but it is easier to track through wi-fi and blue tooth. Disable those and it will be much better. Again- pray about it :-)
BeckyG. said Mar 20, 2017 21:33:00
IMHO -- I've always had a feeling that we are encouraged to download "apps" and that by using those, they can get more ways to track you. The same with the little tags for markets (tracks what you are buying). But that's just my feeling. I don't have hard proof.
I've started using cash to buy most of my stuff. Even running debit or charge cards tracks what you buy. I'd just rather the gov not know what I'm doing... just saying.
I've been instructed through the spirit to get HARD COPIES of things I want to read. In a call out, the poor people hauling my boxes will find TONS of books, old Ensign/Friend/primary manuals etc. :'( I kinda feel sorry for them.
Faith not Fear!!
MelindaJansson said Mar 20, 2017 21:58:11
My husband was a part of the NSA, there is a battery called a condenser, it is an electric storage device that is attached to the clocks on phones and all electronic devices (lap tops, phones, ipads ect)
The Church is aware of this. The NSA also know who has food storage, and pretty much who is making preparations. Perhaps that is the reason for the EMP, to wipe out the information. They have been tracking people since before WW1. It is just apart of life. The government is very sofisticated.
If we are told not to bring these items then don't. If we are told it is ok, then bring it, and trust that Heavenly Father is in charge.
Sharee Poyfair said Mar 20, 2017 22:44:00
What a great comment, thanks @MelindaJansson
Tauna Williams said Mar 21, 2017 00:43:15
I have also felt it is important to have the hard covers of any books I definatly want for my studies at camp. Lots of boxes of books already packed and ready. Every once in a while I have to go dig one out again for reference, but I keep adding. I have enjoyed the new Understanding Isaiah book that Lory V. Recommended and the Parley P. Prattle book on the Science of Theology and all of the James L. Farrell books. I have added lots of Bruce R. McConkie and Neal A. Maxwell books this last year too. I feel that time is precious to get what we need for the future. As always, let the Spirit be your guide though. I have built my library over several years and it would be hard to do it overnight, and pricy. I am so greatful for all the good book suggestions on this forum. They have helped me grow.
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David.Clark said Mar 21, 2017 00:59:39
Tauna, I've enjoyed the Parry book on Isaiah as well. He has one on Revelation that I purchased, but haven't started yet.
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BlakeFrei said Mar 21, 2017 01:12:39
The only way your device or laptop will function in a call-out situation is if someone at camp has a solar power system (like something from Goal Zero), and even that will be questionable. Power will be a luxury that lasts only a short while. We wouldn't be able to keep food cold.

Consider this scenario: If I'm at a camp with a solar generator that takes 24 - 48 hours to charge using solar panels, and someone at camp wants to charge a laptop from it, I'd have to determine if it's worth the cost of lost time/energy. Most likely, the precious power we'd have would need to be rationed for lights, pumping air mattresses, and power a medical device. If a call-out came, I'd probably dump photos on a phone or small tablet that's easily charged, and leave the power-hungry laptop at home.
ClaireE.Grover said Mar 21, 2017 01:47:04
Last year, when we were trying to find the body of my brother-in-law who had taken his own life, we used this technology.

The police department got a warrant... and I understand they take it very seriously and don't do this until all other avenues have been pursued, to have the cell phone company tell us the last cell phone tower that "pinged" Jeff's phone. I guess when you pass a cell phone tower, your phone connects to that tower, and there is a record of it kept. The cell phone company then gave us a map of the area THAT cell phone tower covered and we were able to canvas that area until we found his car on the mountain.

I'm not horrified by technology, but that's probably because I really try so hard to choose faith, not fear.

(Also known as fam,faith,n'freedom.)
Jesse Slater said Mar 21, 2017 01:49:18
Read about the new WIKILEAKS, that leaked information proving that we are all tapped, and they can listen to anything we're saying at any time. They can also use the cameras on our computers to see into our homes etc. We official live in George Orwell's 1984.
Susan said Mar 21, 2017 02:18:43
I've felt I am to have hard copies of anything I am wanting to read or have information on.
NikkiMoshier said Mar 21, 2017 02:27:38
That's creepy Jesse, it makes me think of Luke12:3 "Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops."
The light in me bows to the light in you
SusanMalone said Mar 21, 2017 03:46:27
I have pondered about this too. I ended up buying ebooks many times because I can afford them better. I have figured that I won't have much time to be reading in camp. I suspect there will be too much work to do, and when it is dark I will want to sleep. I will be happy to bring my scriptures and study those along with a few (every few) choice older books I enjoy. Perhaps all of the books may be like training wheels, and in a more spiritual society we may find we prefer to leave the training wheels behind and turn to the Lord directly. I am hoping I will someone still have the chance to do family history and temple work :-)
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